Thanks in advance for any suggestions! Improve this question. It seems the wheel of time crowd is scare around here haha.
Himarm - Should be a few more lurking around: scifi. You are wrong about when one becomes ta'veren: it comes and goes. At the end of the last book, it is stated that the trio is no longer ta'veren, for instance. Mat's luck appears to be like Perrin's wolf-brotherhood: something special.
RyanReich - Interesting. Is there any canon info on when they became ta'veren? RyanReich: That's stated? I don't recall that at all! Show 1 more comment. Active Oldest Votes. BestQuotes Ever Being a ta'veren has a distinct effect on him, but I think there is an innate luckiness to Mat, partially drawn from the fact that the Heroes [of the Horn] call him Gambler.
I have to give the caveat that there could be something out there that contradicts me Mats luck, and Ta'veren'ness is also affected by the persons emotional state. Improve this answer. Himarm Himarm 1. Interesting, especially the bit about his other lives!
Do those old memories all come from previous incarnations of himself? But on the same page you link to, Jordan himself says, "When they say that Mat has the Dark One's own luck, he can get as mad as he wants to, but in a way it is true.
And in 11 on that page, Sanderson seems very unsure about Mat's luck. BTW, wasn't 9 there absolutely hilarious! The fact that Mat remembers dying means there's a bond created by that too.
My pet speculation on a possible meaning is that the increased amplification of Mat's luck over time is in large part in inadvertent side effect of the DO's damage to Pattern over time. As chaos increases and the Pattern becomes more unstable, the world becomes an increasingly ideal random environment where Mat's luck works best. Show 2 more comments. Knotai Knotai 21 2 2 bronze badges. Welcome to the site. We like to see fact rather that opinion here.
If you have a good reason for your theory which I'm sure you do , I recommend that you include that reasoning and the facts that back it up. It will make your answer much better.
Good luck. Interesting idea, thanks for this! Of course, it all got more complicated after that Add a comment. Blake Kirby Blake Kirby 1. I mentioned this as a possibility in my question, but - if it is because of the dagger - why does the luck stay with him after he's disconnected from the dagger?
Chris Chris 1. Can you provide some citations? Sign up or log in Sign up using Google. Beginnign of The Great Hunt, when Rand tries to frighten all his friends away what a wally he finds them gambling, and Mat winning by some way. It's not conclusive, but it's a demo of Mat's luck pre-Lanfear, he was always lucky, just sometimes more than others.
It was at a high ebb shortly after his healing, but has been high and low since, at specific instances. Immediately after his chat with her he thinks about how to escape, finds that he has very little cash, but thinks confidently that with his dice it will become enough to leave. He is already lucky enough to be confident gambling, it just hasn't struck him as odd yet.
According to you, Mat is somehow a new breed of ta'veren because of a new division in luck, strictly to him. Or, just maybe, could it be, possibly, that with all our references to "Luck", not "Gambling luck" or "Happenstance luck" but "LUCK", that Mat's luck is a ta'veren aspect. One final quote, and if you continue your belief, good for you. Being lucky was not all it was made out. He noted with a bit of envy that neither Aiel staggered in the slightest as they joined the departing crowd.
The wiry Maiden was armed for battle, bow and arrows, spears and knife and buckler. She had taken command of his bodyguard tonight. Two dozen more Far Dareis Mai squatted easily on the bridge ten paces away. Both the same thing, and pointless to divide them: ta'veren luck. Tonight, every toss won. Every toss He won again, and it was as if a fever gripped him. He won every throw. From Tavern to Inn to tavern he went Not that!
Oh, Light, did that bloody dagger really do something to me? Maybe it was something the Aes Sedai did. Something they did healing me. Those bloody Aes Sedai must have done it to me.
He thought there was too much order and pattern in stones for Mat's strange luck. There is not an iota of difference between what the ter'angreal did, and how Mat's gambling luck works. Mat is a 'lucky' gambler, even before the Healing, there was never any doubt about that.
But his 'luck' prior to healing is nothing compared to after healing. I thought i would weigh in with my opinions on this little topic. Snakes n foxes you seem to be making a point that there is a difference to the kind of luck experienced by Mat when he is gambling, OK quick question how many times in the books have we seen Rand and Perrin pick up some dice and battle it out with Mat or gamble against anyone period. I can't think of any perhaps you can. As for the lads abilities, they aren't connected to them being Ta'veren.
Rand was born a channeller and Perrin was born a wolfbrother. So I have my own theory about Mat which does not involve Lanfear or the dice Ter'angreal. Some of you may not like it as it is based on supposition as opposed to hard facts from the books. Two of our trinity of heroes have inborn abilities I don't think it is much of a stretch to suggest that all 3 have.
We can call Mat a luckmaster for wont of a better term. Something like a sniffer or a wolfbrother he is born with the ability to alter chance in his favour. This has nothing to do with Ta'veren. As he grows up he is always lucky as we are told then our trio begin their adventurer's and there Ta'vereness begins to come to the for. We know that your Ta'vereness can wax and wane and isn't necessarily as strong or on all the time.
So we have Mat with the inborn ability to affect chance who then also becomes Ta'veren to suit the patterns design which allows him to further affect chance and a side effect of two yet distinct chance altering forces is the dice rolling in his head.
He only hears them when his Tavereness increases for specific purposes. So when it waxes he can be super lucky and when it wanes he is just plain lucky. Mats inborn ability is that he is the 'Son of Battle' - he understands fighting and strategiy to a level uncomprehended by anyone alive at this point in time. Some people could argue that this came from his journey to the finns, but they identified him as son of battles, and i think the memory's just educated him rather than giving him the ability.
Thanks anonymous poster! I agree, but I wanted to give more evidence to Mat being lucky anyway. Khaos, I agree with you Rand's is channelling Perrin's is being a wolf brother Mat's is his luck and memories. Khaos, we don't see Perrin or Rand gambling. Artur Hawkwing is the best Ta'veren comparison in relation to gambling. If circumstances in the book had been different, I would have liked the idea of Mat being born with the luck he exhibits.
On an aside note - The idea that people can be imbued with permanent abilities is nothing new in the books. There are the creations of Aginor though they were more melds with animals , and creatures like grey men, and gholam. I would ask that you don't put words in my mouth as a basis for your arguments. Only your argument relies on Mat being a new breed of Ta'veren. In relation to your quotes. The first one may be ta'veren But inconclusive in relation to this.
The second quote - this is similar to Hawkwings "there were times when every toss fell his way" The Ta'veren argument has tried to offer book based arguments, none of which have been equatable nor comparative like above. Every quote offered has been along the lines of 'there were times' or 'he was lucky beforehand' The posted theory doesn't rely on ignoring any of this Please excuse the formatting of my last post - I cut and pasted, and it went wonky - and for some reason left a number of half sentences out too.
I was showing a "perfect" example of Mat's luck; 26 sixes in a row thrown by him. Now, the arguement is that Mat's luck was latered by Lanfear via a ter'angreal; which to my thinking is delusional beyond imagining. The 26 sixes cannot have been before healing. What then is your point? Your example of the 'exact same type of luck' in relation to the Maidens gambling. I've never had any problem that Ta'veren luck can effect gambling.
According to this quote, if Mat's gambling luck is a Ta'veren thing, then everyone he gambles with, should also be throwing sixes Yet Mat's luck is restricted solely to him, which doesn't match with the Ta'veren quote you supplied. Also you are trying to compare something that happens very occassionally to something that happens all the time It is no surprise that ta'veren luck effected every single one of the maidens dice tosses I haven't resorted to name calling Anonymous dude, some nice points, but while you're right that the 'random' ta'veren luck does go equally both ways, good and evil, there is also the non-random luck This directed luck is a one way thing, in the direction of the ta'veren's purpose.
Examples- people suddenly changing their mind, or all the serendipitous coincidences which make the plot of WoT possible. Mat's luck is a little like an extreme example of this directed luck. All the same, I'm with you- Mat's luck is more than just a property of ta'veren-ness.
Just because he was more lucky after you automatically assume that Lanfear had something to do with it? Without textual evidence that Lanfear did, in fact, do something beyond visit him and poke him with the power, it is supposing a little too much. Some things just happen. If Mat's luck was solely based on being ta'veren, Perrin and Rand would experience the same. They experience luck in their own ways, but it is of the more typical ta'veren kind, and is to a lesser degree.
According to the hypothesis, Mat's luck was enhanced by Lanfear and a ter'angreal. As you have so elquently pointed out, the quote comes far after this supposed event.
Comparing the quote to Rand's occurance of luck with the Maiden's shows such a strong relation that it is quite ignorant to refute. Both Mat and Rand show a commonality which was present before the supposed Lanfear incident: ta'vereness.
Connect the dots yourself. The fact that Mat even points out "the same as the time" that he threw 26 6's. Now the fact that Mat remembered throwing 26 in a row, speaks to me of some importance of it; like a highlight of chance. I can say the sky is green because there are plants living there, and I have explained it. Where is the support? Logically, what you are saying to be true, makes no sense at all. Lanfear might have done something like this to Rand, since she loves him, but to one of his friends?
Who cares about them compared to Rand? She only goes to them to further Shadow plans, and her own, but not to make the Light stronger, unless directly helping Rand and she doesn't even try to do that.
Mat does NOT get his war abilities from the finns, they just give him experience through the memories. The first indication of these abilities is when he whoops Galads and Gavyns buts in the white tower, well before he goes to finnland. If he had never gone to the finns, but had participated in many battles over his life, he would have ended up the same, but the finns just sped up the process.
Back to the original topic, Mats luck is ta'veren. Being ta'veren means that the pattern provides you with what you need to do what the pattern requires you to do. Also, often he roles the dice and gets 'Dark Ones Eyes' before he does somthing important, and the people around him comment that its a winning or losing hand depending on which game your playing.
This proves that Mats luck can run either way when its not important. He wins when he NEEDS to win, he needs the lucky reputation so people will follow him into the last battle.
Simple as that. The dice ter'angreal prove it's possible to effect luck with the one power. It is only a small jump then, to being able to imbue people with the permanent properties of the dice ter'angreal.
Mat a little lucky before Lanfear visits Circumstances of Lanfears visit : Nynaeve says "here's one mat would love re: stolen ter'angreal Lanfear visit to manipulate Mat Lanfear stretches out her hand - Mat bends away from it like its got a poisonous snake in it Lanfear then appears to channel All said before, and all book based 'evidence' because as we all know, RJ doesn't always come out and say "Lanfear did it" Surely you aren't saying, that based on the above evidence, that it is impossible to imbue Mat with luck?
Lanfear obviously cared about Mat enough to visit him, and obviously wanted to manipulate him. She certainly would have nothing to fear from giving him a luck specifically aimed at gambling I don't think she'd wanted to dice with him. You had two quotes, and I made no comparison between them.
Each was dealt with individualy. I quite agree. What they didn't show before the Lanfear incident, was the level of 'gambling' luck that Mat now possesses. Join the dot's- 'what dots' -Unfortunately you did not make any point in relation to your quote. This is a one way thing, in the direction of the ta'veren's purpose. Your examples for instance- there's no mention of ta'veren 'gambling' luck because, if you exclude Mat fromt the argument - there aren't any.
The closest is Hawkwing, and that was only 'at times'. By the way, please back up comments like 'it's delusional' with some substance - like - previously tried arguments - It's impossible to imbue people with permanent abilities, Lanfear didn't have anything in her hand, you can't prove she channelled, she has no reason to give mat Luck Hi, long time listener, first time poster I have to agree with Callandor on this one.
Mat's luck was always instinctively obvious to me as being caused by his ta'veren-ness. I don't think theres enough evidence to say that Lanfear caused his luck. For a long part of the Great Hunt Rand was with "Seline". Maybe she gave him some abilities like having people agree with him This super-luck of his is a one way thing so far. IF Lanfear did affect Mat in this way, she did it in the space of a second or so, with no apparent strain, producing immensely useful, lasting effects.
Neat trick. So what This trick would be the ultimate top trump card, not something you only do once, it would be cropping up all over the book This effect is without any visible problems unless we start inventing possible limitations that would mean only Mat could have it, and take the whole argument even further from plausibility.
We can ignore the idea on the basis that it is absurd, and there are other viable explanations. Lanfear did NOT do it. ZERO evidence. NONE whatsoever. Saying matt would like this? Matt was lucky before the healing. True, not as lucky, but he still had unnatural luck. Matts ungodly luck is not perminant, it comes and goes as he needs it.
He is always lucky, like he was before the healing, but he only gets spikes when he really needs somthing bad. Matt needed to be lucky as all hell to escape tar valon. He needed tons of money for food he was sick and needed to eat lots rememner? This is taveren work. We have a tripod. And Matt the Sorry if I missed something here, I didn't read the entire thing. To anyone asking why Lanfear would want to do this, it doesn't really matter.
We don't know for sure what her intent was. It could have been to make him less lucky, since he was already known for his luck. A carved cluster of six spotted dice, joined at the corners, less then two inches across. A thousand tosses of the dice produced five crowns one thousand times.
Only ter'angreal that sets lasting effects any similar to this, is the Oath Rod, which is distinctly seperate from this because that is its purpose to permenantly effect the people as a punishment.
The Warder bond is a weave which applied by the Aes Sedai. You are sugesting Lanfear bonded Mat, which is of course one thing her people did not know how to do in the AoL, with the after effects of a ter'angreal which requires constant channeling through it.
No example of this has ever been present in the books. Maybe if he joined the Light, but he had resisted that. Try this on for size. Mat's luck IS a taveren thing. It goes deep into his character, and is something much more integral than winning at dice. Many people have noticed so far that there is some connection between Mat's luck, and there being dice in his head. It all goes to this idea of battle as this great game of chance.
All of the great generals talk about throwing the dice see Ituralde in CoT. Battle is about luck, and Mat needs to win battles, he needs to be a great general - - so he needs luck. The pattern chose someone with luck, extraordinary luck,and it endows him with luck when he needs it. So, to review: Pattern needs a great general, great generals need luck, the pattern endows a tavaren with some crazy luck.
Mat's luck is a taveren ability - its scope is particular to him, because he is the one who needs the type of luck he has. He also has other men's memories. How would you compromise for all three abilities. I don't think it's logical to have just one of his abilities come from a forsaken, when the rest of them seemed to come at the same time, maybe due to the same event.
Rand is the dragon reborn. No one gave him the ability to channel except the creator himself. No one used a ter'angreal to make perrin talk to wolves. I think it's safe to say that these abilities were given to each man from the "light side" or the creator. Just my opinion. Every hero has a thing. Few examples. Brigitte never misses.
Arthur Hawkwing is an empire builder. Rigosh Eagle eye is The dragon is a super bada channeler. Perrin is a wolfbrother. Matt is a gambler that never loses.
Perrin goes from zero to yellow eyes and dreaming of wolves over the course of a few days. Rand goes from zero to forsaken killing bada in a couple months. If rands progression in channeling is not sudden as all hell i dont know what is. Matt alteration of chance is similar to rands, it manifests differently.
Rand needs to channel to kill forsaken. Oh hey he can channel, he randomly creates weaves noone has seen for thousands of years, or better yet he cleanses saidin. Matt needs money to get the hell out of tar valon. Oh hey, all the sudden my already good luck is out of controll. Now i can leave. The dice that appear as a chapter heading are NOT the dice ter angreal.
Its symbolism For the warder argument, Aes Sedai in the AoL didnt know about the warder bond, and exactly how it works isnt known.
One thing for sure is that a link is needed between the Aes Sedai and the warder, so unless Lanfear used a bonding weave on Mat- which she would have had no way of knowing, and no desire to use if she knew the drawbacks if he happened to die, which there was a huge chance of. Also, everthing beneficial done with the one power has had a good or strange feeling, but never a pain feeling, which is the effects Lanfears weave had on Mat. Also, since she was interupted in the middle, the weave wasnt finished and wouldnt have worked even if she was trying to do it.
Back to my main argument, Mat needs to win at gambling to do what the pattern requires him to do, so he twists chance to win. Also Mat has been strategic since the begginning of the books, he just shows it more after the finns because he has the memories to help him.
Dosnt anyone remember when he knocked all the whitcloaks into the mud and got Rand in trouble in Baerlon? He was always pulling pranks and getting away with it when he was younger, so it can be assumed he was good at planning them, as well as pulling them off- pretty strategic wouldnt you say?
For one thing, the forsaken have no use for it For another, it's not much of a trump card And of course, if two people gambling with this ability were dicing against each other Also, if lanfear did have the ter'angreal, she isn't likely to share it with any other forsaken. I by no means have ever thought it a certainty Physical contact was as necessary for this as for Healing, and the two times she had watched it done in the Tower, the Aes Sedai had touched the man's forehead.
She barely understood some of what she was doing, and none at all of other parts, yet she had paid close attention, from her hiding place, to how the weave was shaped. Watched closely because she had built up a stock of stories in her head, made silly romances where there so seldom were any.
After a moment, she sat down on the other bed and let saidar go. Did she? Okay, I'm about to go crazy listening to all this arguing- My position is that I agree with Mat. Mat realizes that this luck of his is unnatural even for ta'varen and begins to think back on when he became lucky. First: He identifies that he was always "lucky" as a boy- but more in the "happy-go-lucky" sense.
His escapades atcually went wrong more often than not, and he specifically remembers losing money gambling with a merchant guard. Second: He identifies his picking up the dagger in Sadar Logoth as the event immeadiatly prior to the development of his abnormal luck.
The first evidence we see of this in the books is in TGH quote cited by Callador up at the start of this over long debate, but it's possible there were other examples that happened "off screen". The important thing is that MAT identifies the dagger as the first causaul event- long before he gets to Tar Valon. If anyone should know when the luck started appearing it is Mat. Third: His luck goes absolutly haywire- off the charts lucky- after his healing.
Again Mat identifies an event dealing with the dagger as the probable cause of the sudden change increase in his luck- which then seems to fade back down to somewhere between pre-healing and post-healing levels.
Now Lanfear and the ter'angreal are a possible explination for the Third Stage of Mat's luck since her visit occurs immeadiatly following his healing. But this still leaves his previous increase in luck, pre-healing but post-dagger , unexplained. I believe Mat is correct in identifying the dagger as the causal agent since it is logical to assume that both of his increases in luck were effected by the same agent, changes in the status of the dagger.
Here's something I just found tonight. I haven't weighed in on this before because I really haven't formed an opinion one way or the other. She did not know, of course; he had not spread it around. How does the ta'veren argument not match ta'veren characteristics?
Read the Great Hunt again. Moiraine, in describing ta'veren characteristics talks specifically about how often gambling went Artur Hawkwing's way something like every toss of the dice, every turn of the cards, went his way.
Did Lanfear travel back in time to do the same to him? Rand has stronger luck than Mat in games of chance consider the coin toss in Rhuidean, or how often his "luck" extends to others, whereas Mat's is personal.
You are deliberately ignoring the evidence from the books to try and fortify a weak theory. Mat's luck is NOT restircted to gambling for money Incidentally, I've just re-read that bit in Rhuidean, I thought the implication was that Rand might have channeled the coin over Even if he didn't it was hardly lucky or unlucky for Rand, but rather lucky for Mat that he went in the destined direction ; IMO Rand's luck is not better than Mat's.
Wow, what a thread. His luck is in fact inherent to "tavereness" but his extraordinary luck, is a result of some outside force. DO or Lanfear. Don't know which. But, there are threads and patterns that both support and oppose everyones theories concerning this. We will just had to find out. It suspends chance for everyone. Mat's luck works for him only the ter'angreal completely suspends chance. Mat's luck ebbs and flows, sometimes he is unbeatable leaving Tar Valon other times he wins and loses in streaks.
It might be the dagger, but i dont think so. I think people are failing to take a few things into account. Matt and perrin. Matt Perrin and Rand much more so then the others. Matt is starving. He eats two chickens in no time and is still hungry afterward. Food is expensive downriver. Very expensive. A farmer stands little or no chance of getting out of tar valon unquestioned. A lord in disguise with a seal from the amryllin however..
Matt needs money. To be a "Lord in disguise" and to feed himself so he doesnt starve and die and can recover. Matts tavern nature and the pattern alter chance in the way that Matt is most likely to accept. Insane unnatural luck. He gambles, he wins, he has enough money to do the patterns will. If you look at it this way, it is simple pattern taverenness taking effect.
No magical dice ter angreal need to be involved. Oatman - "Mat needs to win at gambling" The theory is consistent with all of this. There is nothing in the book that specifically states "Lanfear did it", just like there is nothing in the book as to who killed asmodean yet RJ says it's obvious. No one here has been able to explain away the total of these coincidences When people have tried to explain it away, they've used wrong reasons proved wrong by quotes or supposition that could be argued either way.
Your point 4 is disproved by Mat's own thoughts. Your point 5 - in a way similar to the prophecy cause mat's luck argument I didn't.
Also, add the Oath Rod as another example of imbuing something permanent into a person, this time with a Ter'angreal. So 4 examples of permanency imbued into people. Sir Milo - Great generals do indeed need luck Mat's gambling luck breaks this mould Is Mat then a new breed of Ta'veren?
Anubis - you agree then that Mat's luck is a different manifestation that Rands? Oatman - You are reading Callandors slanted version of what I said Callandor -Once more under the false assumption where you think I said Lanfear bonded Mat. Elder Haman - Thank you I like this argument. Okayflyboy -Already discussed a bit back. Mat's luck is permanent, and ta'veren luck can effect gambling diff - short time, and everyone gambling was effected Anubis - The dice heading, which are a very minor argument -the description says 6 spotted dice I've quoted it a number of times myself This is somewhat similar not completely to the Maidens in Rands presence - they were all spinning 6's but they didn't for the rest of their lives, and they ALL spun 6's.
I've said previously Ta'veren luck effects dice The fact is, no quote used to back up the ta'veren argument is comparative to how consistent mat's luck is no it's not perfect, but it's still damned incredible luck.
The Ta'veren argument also ignores that Mat himself thinks his luck unnatural TDR Ch30 - he thinks it's either from the dagger or from the aes sedai. Also, read the rest of the characteristics of Ta'veren luck, and what happens to the towns Rand travells through in TSR, and what happens in the Stone of Tear etc if you want examples of Ta'veren luck.
But, for what is actually Ta'veren By the way, I'm going away on holidays for 5 weeks, so you probably won't see any posts from me after tomorrow : Have fun all In both quotes supplied to back the ta'veren argument Hawkwings was 'there were times', and the maidens ALL of them threw sixes and I doubt they did for the rest of their life Myself and Callandor have already removed the Warder argument, and the Oath Rod was designed specifically for binding people to certain oaths, which isnt altering any of thier attributes, just limiting them in thier actions.
Anubis, your thinking along the same lines as me, glad to see someone else has finally realised that Mats luck comes from Ta Veren twisting chance for need, Ive been preaching that for weeks. Ok snakes and foxes, this post just for you. And guess what? Mat cannot channel! Have to read those posts to get that point now eh?
There are only two distinct cases of doing this. The Oath Rod. The Oath Rod permenantly or untill death, stilling, or burn out sets three Oaths that the Accepted then Aes Sedai has to follow, and are open to her interpretation. In other words, it does not cast a permenantly "chance suspending" spell on the person. Warder Bonding. The only other case of permenantly altering what a person can do; this time by enhancing what a Warder can do.
This is done by a specific weave of channeling by the Aes Sedai, and a physical touch to the Warder; no cases of using a ter'angreal in bonding a Warder have been shown, hinted at, or even assumed. Now, since you think that the most logical reason for Mat's luck in Tar Valon is to be enhanced by Lanfear, and for his luck to continue, that he must have been permenantly altered, imbued is the word you used, with luck.
Going off of this, Lanfear must have done one of the two possible functions that do this. Going off of that, and the explainations of how they work, and the scene in which this occurs, and the final fact that Lanfear herself did not know of the way to perform one of these functions, we are left with the idea that Lanfear turned the dice ter'angreal into a semi-Oath Rod and sealed Mat with luck.
Excuse me when I say, delusional. We are given no context of anything like this, no idea that someone can change what a ter'angreal does once it already has a function, and no idea that anyone can bond a Warder with a ter'angreal. Don't argue a useless point because you are a cynic. Oatman The books actually suggest Ba'alzamon was responsible for the changes to Fain usually recognised as Ishamael. It is not a matter of eliminating each way giving someone a power I couldn't care less that Lanfear didn't bond Mat - it's quite obvious she didn't.
For example, and this is a guess Rand needs to conquer the world he certainly used to believe he did Perrin felt an intense need to find Faile Mat's needs meld with his Ta'verenness to cause his luck 2. It's just normal Ta'veren luck 4. Because Mat is ta'veren he twisted the pattern to make his luck Which argument is it some of them are contradictory Have fun all I'm off :.
Slayer being what he is, is unconfirmed. We do not know what happened to him to allow him to be what he is, however, the most common theory is that Isam was transmigrated into Luc's body with Luc's soul still there, and they merged into two personallities. Mat is specifically told that he is not. Perrin has probably not yet done enough to be granted that honor. He has the skills, but not the resume yet. In fact, if he was a dead hero returned, then it would be one who had fallen to Hawkwing.
At this moment the Whitecloaks also attack, leaving the heroes trapped between the Seanchan and the Whitecloaks; whereupon Mat blows the Horn of Valere, resurrecting dead heroes including Artur Hawkwing, which overcome the Seanchan and vanish. He is willing to sacrifice the Whitecloaks if it will lead to the destruction of the Tower.
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